3 We were told, by one of the site organisers, of another regular player who had his premises raided by 20 armed police officers. They confiscated his entire collection of RIFs and told him that as long as they didn't fire above 328fps after they'd been checked, they'd be returned
Erm, under what legislation was this then??
Where will it end indeed.
However, while airsofters seem to have taken the VCRA as a sort of 'anti-chav' measure that misses the mark by a long way. This wasn't the Government's intention at all - more simply 'banning the sale of anything that looks like a gun'. Airsofters scraped through with an exemption in the end, that's true, but not what the HMG wanted at all.
Ah, the moral dilemma. What did I do? Nothing. It took the view that I didn't see it as a problem and it was their look out if the were breaking the law, ignorance is no defence. And in that respect I suppose we aren't a totalitarian state, yet! I haven't been taken out and shot because I didn't 'inform'.
Look at it this way. If someone belts past me on the motorway at 120mph do I ring the police? No, but I might make a mental note of where and when just in case there is a report of an accident. If someone passes me at 120mph on the motorway and clips the curb, undertakes a couple of cars, skits onto the hard shoulder for quarter of a mile, brakes suddenly for no reason... then yes, I'd be on the phone (hands-free, 'cos I'm law-abiding 
). So there, probably something to do with perceived consequences, live and let live do as you would be done by! 
Your three points noted - I have heard point 3 related by another site but have nothing to substantiate it beyond a rumour!
Well my MP44 arrived safely after 2 Months st customs and some mahoosive charges... have to say the lady at customs could not have been more helpful, they told me exactly what was needed for me to r prove my eligibilty to own the gun. It was almost as if they really wanted me to have it.
The story about the police not returning it if it fires over 328fps is suspect... Its not illegal to own a RIF and air rifles fire well over that limit. I could be wrong but I heard thet the legal limit was 500fps aqnyway.......I also imagine there is a fair amount of scare mongering going on "buy your guns from us local chaps and avoid all this nastiness which occurs" but that also doesnt legislate for over enthusiastic policing etc etc
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Yes mate, You are, the legal limit for a full auto AEG is 1.35j, over that its an air weapon, and a classed as a firarm, full auto air gun is a prhibited weapon.
Well theres a whole 'nother long and rambling argument about what is legal and illegal in terms of FPS and airsoft. It is true that in theory any projectile fired with over 1joule of energy is classed as an airgun (up to 3 joules or something like that). The ins and outs are debated and have been to death SO pleeeeeeease dont get into that one
However that doesnt mean that owning an airsoft replica over 328 FPS is illegal. Thats like arresting someone cos their car might run over someone.
It has the slight smattering of urban myth to me.
edit: read the above. Ahh full auto yes.... however I wasnt aware that airweapons are classed as firearms. theres no fire for starters!
No longer involved in airsoft.
I know i'm repeating myself here, but the whole 1.35J thing rests on the precedent set by the case of Moore Vs Gooderam - way back in the 60's. The "scientific" testing for the case involved plywood and a sharpened steel dart. If you do some research, you'll find that the vast majority of recent forensic testing - world wide - has defined it as closer to 4 Joules. This includes the FSS in both Scotland, and the FSS in NI.
Whats the upshot then?
Simple, you go to court, a new round of forensic tests is carried out (the precedent in the Moore Vs Gooderam case can be overturned easily - due to advances in forensic science) then you go from there.
richardschulze1944 - VERY interested to know which site operator told you about the fella getting raided by Plod. I have my suspicions, and i'd wager that Headshot is thinking along the same lines.
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Yes kermit, but its a precident that is the only thing we have to work on.
ooo anyone spotted this ? : http://www.ukara.org.uk/node/66
Someones been a bit naughty.
No longer involved in airsoft.
Old news matey, been splashed over other forums for ages.
Whats the betting that Oddball will be over here saying it's all a big conspiracy as Land Warrior were the cheapest retailer in UKARA? 
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
The explanation was given by Land Warrior some while ago on the ASCUK forum and seems to be a misunderstanding rather than 'being naughty'.
Hahaha dammit I was after some good ol sewing circle gossip there.
A thought occurred to me (and its probably been covered and I've just missed it again) but what happens to the collectors of Deacts? Are they classed as RIFs?
The reason I ask is that I would have thought a deact always poses more of a physical threat than an RIF (if they are different).
No longer involved in airsoft.
Haha, !
Deacts are not RIF's or IF's and so not covered by the act (they not imitation but are legal F's !!! and so fine - the absurdity is not lost on anyone I'm sure, but hoorah for that anyway!
Glad to see the government is making sensible policies then 
No longer involved in airsoft.
They had to... Deacs were in the original draft, but there was a huge uproar from the re-enacting community (etc)
Im not against it, dont get me wrong, but from a logical point of view that doesnt make any sense.
Surely a higher number of deacts are converted back than RIFs converted over (in the exceeding high numbers that the tabloids would have us believe).
No longer involved in airsoft.
Converting deacs ain't easy... They have been through a proofing house to make sure they can't be.
To convert a deac you'll probably need a new bolt and barrel for a start... These are both section 5 items and hence you'd probably find it as easy to get a complete gun as it would the parts... (and both of those would be illegal things to do, to start with)
The VCRB has nothing to do with the convertibility of guns anyway. Any easily convertible gun (whether deac or imitation) is covered by other legislation anyway.
